Possible Tony Idea

Posted: Jun 25, 2009 3:10 am

A lot of the time the main villain is doing it because of something that happened in the past with Jack. Drazen/Saunders..etc

Maybe for season 8 it could be about a secondary character. In this case, Tony. For some reason they would need top use him for the day. That would get him back into the show and could potentially redeem the character.

Thoughts?

Posted: Jun 25, 2009 2:12 pm

I believe Tony can redeem himself. He did what he felt he needed to do cause of michelle and his sons death. So I don't consider him a bad guy. He did do some bad things but not out of wanting to destroy this country. But wanting to get back at the people that had been resposible for his son and michelle.
Anyway I hope Tony is back and plays a big role again. Although I am kind of torn between him redeeming himself or becoming a full on bad guy.

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 12:05 am

nah, it's all about redemption for tony now

he's an integral character of 24 no doubt.

He'll be back...be silly not to bring him back since he's alive

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 12:22 am

I do not think Tony will look for redemption, I think it has gone completely to the "dark side" because of his desire for revenge.

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 2:28 am

You all didn't answer my question. Razz

From watching the first few seasons again I've come to the conclusion that the only difference between Jack and Tony is that Tony is weak. Tony couldn't handle his wife and unborn child being killed so he seeked revenge. Jack was able to hold it in and do the right thing.

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 2:40 pm

Cant argue with that. Tony is weak. But i still dont consider him a true bad guy. he did do some horible things. Revenge is a dangerious path and Tony took this path.
But i guess we will see what happens next season.

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 6:16 pm

in no way is Tony weak, he died, got brought back to life and was left with Emerson's crew. This means that the only people around him had ideals and hatred towards the government.

he wasn't coerced, but since he ended up with these people (and wasn't around people to support him ie jack) - the only goal he had was to find the people that killed michelle and his son

i'm certain that tony will come back in 8 (or 9) to redeem himself...if i'm wrong, then you can ban me (he he)

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 6:54 pm

He wasn't coerced. Exactly. He did it with his own free will.

Yes his goal was to find Michelle's killer. That is why he is weak. He was willing to let people die to get revenge.

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 7:41 pm

Thanks Slade you beat me to it Smile

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 8:24 pm

true

granted this is a story about jack bauer but I guess it's good to have a (slight) parallel with tony being sorta like him but with a weakness

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 9:35 pm

alot depends on when series 8 takes place in the 24 timeline.

some sources say it will be 6-8 weeks after series 7, while others say its the standards 18 months afterwards. Tony wouldnt just come round to be good and wanting redemption in the space of 6-8 weeks. he'd still be angry and bitter. 18 months? that would be much more plausible.

i'd much prefer if Tony was semi-bad. i think it adds more depth to it all. i dunno... it'd be weird if his help was needed to stop the next terrorist threat and he was still in custody and remains like that throughout. i'd much rather see him free and out and about wreaking havoc. but i dunno how that would happen. maybe his help is needed in the field by Jack but is supposed to remain 'in custody' and he escapes? sort of like Silence of The Lambs. maybe Tony even does a Hannibal Lector and plays and fools Jack into a situation where he can escape?

Posted: Jun 26, 2009 10:42 pm

I think it would be weird to have it take place 18 months later. It basically makes the radiation exposure to Jack storyline pointless.

Posted: Jun 27, 2009 9:37 pm

i wouldnt say it's pointless if it were to happen 18 months later. theyve already used it to an extent in series 7, albeit the earlier stages of exposure rather than Jack's recovery from it after treatment. it wouldnt surprise me if the writers decided to end this plot strand. if series 8 were to take place 18 months later, the writers would be able to catch the audience off-guard a bit more because we wouldnt know what has happened in the intervening 18 months, whereas 6-8 weeks is a much shorter space of time and realistically less could have happened.

like Tony... would he still be bitter and vengeful? or would he be remorseful? in 6-8weeks he's likely to be the latter (realistically), while if it were 18 months he could be either. but then stranger things have happened in 24...

Posted: Jul 08, 2009 7:36 am

I havent seen Tony being noted down as returning for S8 anywhere Sad

I do hope that they bring him back to end his storyline though!!

Posted: Aug 31, 2009 11:59 pm

I think that Tony is truly evil now because he tried to kill Jack. If they brought him back then he would try to do it all over again.

Posted: Sep 02, 2009 7:54 pm

Not a bad guy??? LOL... he tried to kill dozens of FBI agents, killed Larry Moss and so on and so on. Revenge is one thing, as long as it doess't cost lots of peopel their lives.

Posted: Sep 02, 2009 11:52 pm

Sometimes people forget who they are in the nme of revenge.

Posted: Sep 21, 2009 11:26 am

I have an interesting theory about Tony. First of all, there is no way he won't be in season 8. That would be just stupid. Unless Carlos decides he doesn't want to do another season, which also does not make sense.

If you think back to season 1, we find out that Terri is pregnant before she dies. But Tony never finds out about that on screen, and it's never mentioned at all in any of the following seasons. Then of course, last season we find out that Michelle was pregnant when she was killed, which was what really sent Tony off the deep end and consumed him with rage. And again, we never see Jack find out on screen that Michelle was pregnant. Jack is not in the room when Tony confronts Alan Wilson and tells him he killed his son. So as far as we know, neither Tony nor Jack knows that the other lost an unborn child when they lost their wives.

Now, remembering season 5, when Tony attempts to kill Henderson but his conscience prevents him from doing it. And before he tries, Jack tells him it won't bring Michelle back, and Tony says he doesn't care, because at least he will feel better. Then Jack says "trust me, you won't." The reason I mention that is because in season 7 we see Renee enter the room with Wilson, obviously to torture him into talking, but we never see what happens. I think in season 8 we will find out what information she may have gotten out of him if any, and that she actually pushes him so far that he doesn't survive the interrogation. Point being, when Tony finds out Wilson was dead, even though he wasn't the one that killed him, he will finally realize that he doesn't feel any better like he thought he would, and finally truly see the error in his ways.

The way I see all this going down is, at some point during season 8, Jack is going to need Tony's help. Maybe with someone from Emerson's crew, or someone from a case Jack and Tony worked together when they were still at CTU together. So Jack goes to talk to Tony in prison. Tony is still consumed with grief and hatred as he was in season 7, and this is where Tony will tell Jack that Michelle was pregnant, and that's why he did what he did. He will tell Jack he might know what it's like to lose a wife, but he has no idea what it feels like to lose a wife and a child at the same time. At which point Jack will obviously correct him and tell him that Terri was pregnant when she died, just like Michelle. This will have an immediate effect on Tony, when he suddenly realizes that Jack can relate to him, and knows exactly how he feels. This will cause Tony to finally feel regret and see that he was wrong, as Jack experienced the same thing and didn't take the route that Tony took because of it. Then Jack will tell him that Wilson is dead, and Tony will finally see that it actually DOESN'T make him feel any better. This will convince Jack that he can trust Tony again, and Tony will be back in play. Then I think Tony is going to go out in a blaze of glory, and sacrifice himself to save Jack, or to save other innocent lives. He won't be filled with hatred anymore, but he will still be damaged enough to have a death wish, as long as he dies for a good cause. Similar to the way Jack has had a death wish, ie season 2 when he chooses to fly the bomb, or season 6 when he agrees to sacrifice himself.

Sorry that was so long, but I think that would be a really good way to play the story and give a good excuse to bring Tony back into play for one more season.

Posted: Sep 23, 2009 6:28 am

nice idea. i'd completely forgotten that Terri was pregnant at the time of death!

Apparently theres a direct link between seasons 7 and 8 storyline-wise, so i imagine this is where Tony comes in, but only later on.

Posted: Sep 24, 2009 12:40 am

yup you got it right there mate

let's hope it pans out that way

and yes, on the blaze of glory thing...tony can die in peace or be pardoned for helping save the day in season 8 and move on

either jack or tony will die at the end of season 8 if it's the last season.

Posted: Sep 27, 2009 3:46 am

he's added to the cast list for an episode

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1463810/

Posted: Oct 07, 2009 1:10 am

well i sure hope tony can redeem himself and fight alongside jack again...

Posted: Oct 14, 2009 1:20 am

Again, IMDB is unreliable. I also think that Tony will be brought back, but for now there's no announcement of anything. Right now, there is no Tony regardless of what IMDB says...